Thilaga, Pang Khee Teik and Wong Yuen Mei return again, extending the conversation from the previous episode. Trinh T. Minh Ha, Michel de Certeau and Lauren Berlant's theories are discussed, in between references to Puteri Gunung Ledang, Yasmin Ahmad and every Malaysian's best friend, the Bantal Busuk. What, if anything, do they have to do with love and freedom again? Tune in to find out!