Around the world, governments are scrambling to reverse population decline, but many of these solutions overlook the realities women face: lack of support, rising costs, unpaid care work, and limited choices. Malaysia’s fertility rate is falling too, but is that really a bad thing? In conjunction with World Population Day, Sivananthi Thanenthiran, Executive Director of ARROW, joins us to talk about rights, realities, and why the future of population policy must put people first.