Following lukewarm results from the recently concluded 2018 Commonwealth Games in Gold Coast, eyes are on the Podium Programme and on its failed objectives. Many including former National Sports Council director general Datuk Wira Mazlan Ahmad, who was behind the successful Jaya '98 sports programme, was critical over the over RM145 million Podium Programme. We dissect the issue with our guest this week -- former National Sports Council director general and National Sports Institute chief executive officer Datuk Dr Ramlan Aziz.